Part One: In light of recent stories about hazing at Northwestern University, we talk about the phenomenon of hazing with Ryan Kane, athletic director at Carthage College. Part Two: Tim Brown, author of "The Tao of the Backup Catcher: Playing Baseball for the Love of the Game." The book talks about the special and unexpectedly significant role that backup catchers can play on a major league baseball team. The book focuses in particular on Erik Kratz, whose long career included a brief yet memorable stint with the Milwaukee Brewers during their glorious 2018 season.